Waves brings back perpetual licensing alongside the Subscription

Trust has been broken.

Reverting to “business as usual” is hardly enough.

In a nutshell, if Waves cannot extend the small goodwill gestures as I have outlined in points 1 & 2 below, then I will not buy any new items from them ever again.

As a dedicated Waves customer that has made a substantial investment in its products within less than 2 years, I am hoping that Waves will review, and consider, the entirety of my note below. Because based on the comments from thousands of Waves customers that have appeared online since last Sunday, I am confident that I am hardly alone with anything that I am saying here.

To Waves:

I closely read Waves’ announcement regarding the reinstatement of “perpetual license” plugin sales (including being able to buy plugin updates and 2nd licenses via the Waves Update Plan once again).

This reversal of Waves’ recent attempt at forcing all of its customers into a new subscription-only model only came about after a colossal outcry from its user base. A quick scan through the thousands of (justifiably) angry online posts revealed that customers were not only enraged by Waves’ subscription plans, they had hit a breaking point with the Waves’ brand in general. Because now, customers were not simply complaining about the never-ending bargain-basement-esque “$29.99” sales, or questioning the fairness of the Waves Update Plan. No… now, countless people, many of whom identifying as loyal, longtime customers — were expressing, in no uncertain terms, that they were DONE with Waves. As in, “I will never buy anything from you again.”

This is serious stuff. The emotion expressed by those customers is clearly real.

Emotion.

Music is built upon emotion. Brands and companies thrive, or die, on the emotions that they cultivate within their audience and customer base. Everything a company/brand does, especially how it interacts with its users, will determine the overall emotional connection that those customers have with that brand. This is especially true in the world of music. As musicians/producers/engineers, we posses a strong emotional attachment not only to the music that we create, but to the brand names of our most prized gear. Legendary names such Gibson, Fender, Moog, Gretch, Ludwig… carry an immediate emotional weight with anyone that has used, owned, or aspired to own, their equipment.

The same is true in the digital world. As producers, we often speak of our “love” of our favourite plugins and digital brands. We get a hit of emotion just thinking about the magic we might create when we load up a specific plugin effect or virtual instrument.

Again, it is emotion that flows through everything in music. But, if the emotion surrounding a brand of gear has become inherently negative, it can easily put a damper on our time in the studio, or, in the worst cases, ■■■■ the life out of our sessions.

What emotions are conjured when the idea of using Waves plugins arises? What are our immediate feelings about Waves, knowing that our trust in them was broken last Sunday, with their announcement that our investment in their perpetual licence plugins would become virtually worthless in the years to come? How does that event affect our joy, or total lack thereof, in using their products? And, with that sudden, previously unannounced event in mind, how do we know for certain that Waves will not try and pull that move again on us?

As end users, we have nothing but a business relationship with Waves. Why is it important to mention that our relationship with Waves is not of a personal nature? Because trust has been broken. And when trust is broken in a relationship — especially a business relationship — actions speak louder than words when it comes to “making things right”.

A return to “business as usual” does not make things right. It does not rebuild the trust that we, the users, once had with Waves. If all that Waves is prepared to do is allow us to continue buying individual plugins, and then charge us an annual fee for each and every one of those plugins, just for the privilege of receiving bug fixes and essential updates… then why would we continue to look toward them when it comes time to seek out new plugins for our arsenal? Why should I believe that the same company that sent its “Important Message from Waves” email last Sunday will not try to retract its support of my perpetual licenses yet again in the future? I have read all of the updates from Waves since they walked back their subscription-only plan, and I am not reassured that they will never attempt to make such a radical shift again.

Trust has been severely damaged, here, in this very non-personal business-to-customer relationship. So, how can Waves possibly begin to convince me that they are serious about making amends, that they are listening to who their audience is, and that they will never try to turn their business model upside down on us again? In order for me to even consider buying anything new from Waves in the future, this is what they need to do:

Extend a substantial gesture of goodwill. Specifically, this would need to be a small bundle of free plugins, as chosen by each existing Waves customer, and which would not be subject to the WUP — ever. A custom bundle of 5 free plugins, selected by us, from the entire Waves library. No blacklisted items. And again, no strings attached (free updates on those specific items only, for life).

Why should this free offer be necessary? Aside from the stress that was caused by last Sunday’s announcement, Waves’ user base had no choice but to spring into immediate action, spending its precious time writing to Waves, posting to social media, and researching alternatives to Waves’ products… instead of doing the very thing we love, which is making music. Time is money, and stress is real — that needs to be accounted for.

A firm statement from Waves that perpetual licenses will be available to purchase for all plugins, indefinitely. I have read through all of the announcements posted by Waves over the past two days, and the only statement that remotely suggests to me that this might be the case is this: Within Waves’ email blast of March 29, Waves’ co-founder says, “you can once again renew your Waves Update Plan in order to update perpetual plugin and bundle licenses. This option will remain in place going forward.” Going forward? For how long? And, does that “going forward” include the option of buying new plugins? Or, will the ability to buy new plugins only exist for a couple of years? Again, trust was broken last Sunday; Waves needs to be crystal clear about what we can expect in the near future, and in years to come.

We need to talk about the WUP. Waves’ competitors are not doing this type of thing. A two-seat license is industry standard. So is providing free updates for bug fixes and essential upgrades — Waves’ competitors do not charge for those things. So, why is Waves hanging on to it? As other companies do, Waves should be charging only for major updates, and should be including, at minimum, a two-seat license for each product. Getting rid of the WUP is not necessarily a deal-breaker for me, but eliminating it would go a long way toward making amends with users (but only if points 1 & 2 above are enacted as well).

To put it simply, if Waves can extend the small, but meaningful, gestures as outlined in points 1 & 2 above, then I will happily return as a customer — perhaps even one that champions their plugins, as I did before last Sunday. But if they cannot, then I am done.

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Dude, a number of times in your diatribe you use words like ‘us’ ‘we’ and other words in the plural etc, as if you think you are writing on behalf of all Waves users, customers, fans. You certainly aren’t writing on my behalf, and to be honest as a long time Waves customer, user and fan, reading the above makes me feel embarrassed.

I personally never felt pressured as such to sign up for a subscription, as far as I was concerned Waves the company made a business choice, which is their prerogative, resulting from that choice my choice was to continue using my Waves plugins until I could use them no more.

Like I said I am a long time Waves user, well over a decade, own all of their plugins, I for one, and I know I am not alone, appreciate the sales that Waves have, even the $29 ones, even though there is nothing for me left to buy, other customers will benefit from it, and the sales on WUP, the introductory prices for new plugins, none of this does Waves have to do, but they do it just the same and the customers benefit from it. I think a well done and thank you Waves is in order, not a dressing down.

And where do you get off telling them what they should do, what benefits they should bestow upon us as a makeup for the recent events? Personally, I am just glad that they are back with the perpetual licenses and the ability to purchase new releases. What they have done know suits all, those who like subscriptions and those who don’t, the way it should have been, better late than never. Another thing with your grand plan, how does it benefit those who already own everything?

If Waves feel they want to or need to do something to make it up to people, let them decide what it is, how you can be so presumptuous as to tell them . . . beats me, if that’s what is required for you to ‘forgive’ them and stay a customer, that’s your business I guess. Like I said, reading your above diatribe made me feel embarrassed, embarrassed to think that I, being a Waves customer and fan might be thought to be part of, involved in that.

Have a nice day.

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Thanks for the explanation.

The expression doesn’t really get used here, that’s what I meant (and knowing that it stems from a real tragedy rather than software matters, I’m happy this is the case)

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While we’re at it… WUP has to go too!

I think that Waves will raise the WUP fees and also raise the plugin pricing so that we choose the subscription even if we own licenses. They have shown their true colors.

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Well I am certainly somewhere in the middle to others responses on here.

As much as I would say thank you for bringing back perpetual and wup I do wonder if waves would have done so without such a backlash (we will never know). They basically went against all their advertising and all the information customers had previously relied on (wup whenever you want etc).

Having thought about it lots let’s recap:

Waves announcement-subs only, no perpetual and no more wup (even though this is meant to be available whenever). No advance notice to customers, no opportunity to make a choice to wup before sub only. End of support for all previous customers unless you pay monthly for as long as you want to use the product. Outcome most will think this is better for waves than customers imo.

Reaction- many say they will use other companies, many deleted contact with waves, some deleted all waves plugins, some affiliates complained or highlighted users concerns and we’re told to swivel and the Internet and socials were full of lists of alternative plugins so people could say goodbye to waves. Outcome-most likely very bad for waves, customer outcome unknown

Waves announcement-reversion but now also subs available. Waves outcome good (as bad press reduced) , customer outcome goodish (well as advertised initially) but with severe trust issues moving forward

So imo waves destroyed trust with it’s users by ripping up customers expectations re wup, caused a lot of negative media for their own business, potentially lost future revenue, remained radio silent for a long time when it was obvious immediately this went down badly and now if others are like me tend to have a level of mistrust that they will stick to their word. I struggle to see any reason to say well done from either waves or customers perspective.

I don’t necessarily think they need to throw freebies our way and basically we are where we were last week albeit with a heightened awareness of the fact waves did this to their customers. We just make have to make our own decisions on if we use them still, buy more or just replace waves with others.

Its done now, can’t turn clocks back so just go with what feels OK to you.

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I don’t want anything for free, gifts or reparation. I want to be able to rely on companies I do business with. The problem I have now is that trust is gone and the damage huge. At the moment I don’t have any likes to have anything to do with Waves. Although they apologized and I’m a license holder of nearly all their plugins with upgrade plan until 2/24. That does not mean that I didn’t accept the apology. I did. I’m happy they stopped the insanity of “subsription only”. But the circumstances are very serious. At the moment I don’t know if I come back anytime.

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Let’s be honest and frank here. I like a good 30% of Waves plugins, the rest are mostly outdated with bogus ui’s.

I do however believe that Waves knew exacly the backlash that they would get from canning perpetual licences and wup and planned the whole debacle.

This in all reality was a carefully planned viral marketing marketing campaign to get free publicity for their products and subscription. All the YouTubers did their work for them.

The speed with which they reverted and their website again had the option to buy perpetual licences again in my opinion clearly shows that they never intended to get rid of the opportunity to buy licenses.

This throws peoples attention away from the reality of the Waves Update Plan and makes people think that Waves somehow care about their users.

Do yourself a favour and get rid of the ridiculous Update Plan or make it a minimal cost of say $30 for all the plugins.

Plugin Alliance give free updates to their plugins, have a fairly priced subscription system and reward their customers with perpetual licenses at the end of their yearly subscription.

Waves you need to change and stop treating your customers like mugs.

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Please bring back discounted upgrades (from single plugs) to bundles too.

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I have lost faith in WAVES, finishing my projects with their plugins and will not use them again.

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Yep, that would be exactly what I’m missing. I’m definitely not going to participate in any kind of subscription.

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Well, I would not be so categorical. The dudes listened to the users, it’s worthy. And a bunch of really interesting stuff here.
Although I can understand the outrage about WUP (especially for Mac users). Maybe if I wasn’t on Windows I would feel the same way. It’s literally near the same as subscription lol (at least in current form\pricement).
I’d vote for significant decreasing of WUP fees, like some symbolic price, it would be fair. It seems to me that both sides would be happy as a result.

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Thank you for listening, Waves.

It does, it’s like the opposite of woke. “Tory Brexit voters took the kool aid”.