Then let your existing user update for free.
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We need plugins like Clarity VX Pro right now, which are not that easy to replace.
But we are now using the time when the licenses are slowly expiring to find replacements.
Waves - your epitaph says: We fooled our long-standing customers. You dug the grave today.
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What gets me is that you gave us NO NOTICE, Waves. You had the perfect opportunity to do so when you emailed us all to say dealer purchased licences needed to be registered by the 26h March. If you had given us similar notice to get all our licences on a WUP many of us would have done so. The regular and predictable income from the subscription model might suit the Waves financial department but it does NOT suit all of your users, I choose to maintain a Pro Tools Ultimate perpetual license rather than subscription. You face stiff competition these days and regrettably I think a subscription-only model will backfire on you.
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Donât bother us endlessly with your petition. Just let the shitstorm and the collapsing sales take their toll.
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Just helping those looking to be proactive - who knows might help to work all in all.
Thanks for the huge slap in the face, Waves. I just had a conversation with our tech lead at church who wanted to buy another soundgrid server and card for our consoles. That sale is now canceled.
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Good afternoon: Long time waves user here, been paying my WUP in order to migrate forward to the newest plugins and current versions.
Iâm really disappointed how this subscription feature was rolled out with no notice to existing customers. It seems like when my current WUP expires Iâll be compelled to join the Waves Subscription program and instead of paying WUP when I needed it, pay an annual fee. Or find alternatives. And believe me there is very little that cannot be replaced from other companies such as Slate, Plugin Alliance, Native Instruments, Softube, etc etc.
So now paying outright for perpetual licenses and paying WUP for years on them, will we no longer âownâ them ?
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With the sudden introduction of this anti-consumer subscription â â â â â â â â , you have convinced me to never invest in Waves plugins ever again.
If any of the plugins Iâve bought so far reach their end of life due to new OS incompatibility or whatever, donât expect me to pay you a single cent for updates. Instead I will replace them one by one with stuff from other manufacturers.
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I recently invested in over $ 600 in waves plugins last year. I have an external dsp working with the studio software waves provided. There is NO WAY I will be paying for a Sub!! Some executive forced a decision on their customers with no second option? Just âSubscription onlyâ??? Why didnât you give an upgrade option for future releases for long time customers???Thatâs what Propellerheads did for Reason. Why canât waves? Probably because Waves is not meant to be trusted. How will I know if in the future you wonât screw your customers again? I have a better plan, come up with a better plan, and fire whoever thought of this stupid idea. For now Waves can pound sand. I hope you go belly up.
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Yes thatâs a good way of putting it. Waves marketing department has taken an anti-consumer stance. I understand that a few of the big audio magazines are already all over this story - and will likely blast Waves in their editorials for this rollout. The way the company decided to do this is beyond pathetic, desperate and basically says they hate their loyal customers so much.
And how nice of Waves to give dealers a nice heads up. Waves appears to hate their customers with a passion.
Next Waves ad in a pro audio magazine should proabably say âWaves: We hate our customersâ
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Introducing my departure from Waves 
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Yeah⊠add me to the list of those who have NO intention of being coerced into your subscription model. I was fortunate that I caught up my expired WUP to V14 back around July when I purchased a Mac Studio in order to get Apple Silicon native versions. That was pure luck. What about those who let WUP expire on V13? Now in order to get Apple Silicon native they have ZERO options but to pay your subscription. Makes me wonder if the change in architecture was considered as additional leverage, knowing youâd catch some of your users flat footed.
Anyway⊠when the WUP runs out on my V14 plugs, you can count on the fact that I will not subscribe and when some future MacOS âbreaksâ the plugins, I will be done with your companyâs products for good. Itâs mind boggling that you guys would make such a blunder. You could have employed a hybrid approach like other developers and given people a choice, or grandfathered in those with WUP⊠but no.
I hope you guys fall flat on your faces. Heard you wonât be at NAMM in April. Probably a good decision on your part.
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Yep. Longtime Waves plugin user here. I have a ton of them, but Iâm done with Waves if theyâre going to screw over their most loyal people. Wrong on so many levels.
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Awful. WUP was bad enough - I found it confusing. No subscriptions for me.
The good news is that thereâs really only one Waves plugin Iâll miss: Renaissance compressor.
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RIP there are plenty of options elsewhere. I even give you 1 cent more, very very bad move !
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Unlike many here, I only have a handful of Waves plugins (three, to be exact), acquired over 10 or so years, and I only use one (Waves Tune Real Time) with any frequency. So Iâm not a customer Waves probably cares much about, as I havenât sent a lot of money their way. But while I would periodically entertain updating Real Time through WUP, there is most certainly no way Iâm going to pay $15/month, for all time, to keep using it. Thatâs several hundred dollars after just a couple years! For one plugin! Waves plainly has lost all interest in casual custoimers.
Happily, because I donât use Waves much, it will be painless to me to abandon the company altogether and never purchase from them again. I feel badly for all of you caught in their outrageously abusive behavior.
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Wow - R.I.P. Waves - I have checked your social media on TWITTER, YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK and INSTA - all NEGATIVE - WHEN ARE YOU GETTING THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO TURN OUT GOOD FOR YOU ???
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I payed for a lot of plugins from waves and JUST to be able to update them in the future I would have to pay 24.99 per month now - for the rest of my career??? What the f⊠BIG DISLIKE !!!
My Waves Purchases (Bundles and Individuals):
Lil Tube
Clarity Vx
CR8 Creative Sampler
Lofi Space
SSL EV2 Channel
Abbey Road RS124 Compressor
Bass Slapper
CLA EchoSphere
CLA Epic
Electric 200 Piano
Kaleidoscopes
MultiMod Rack
OVox Vocal ReSynthesis
StudioRack
Vocal Bender
Abbey Road Chambers
Abbey Road EMI TG12345 Channel
Abbey Road J37 Tape
Abbey Road Kingâs Microphones
Abbey Road REDD Consoles
Abbey Road Reel ADT
Abbey Road Reverb Plates
Abbey Road RS56 Passive EQ
Abbey Road Saturator
Abbey Road TG Mastering Chain
Abbey Road Vinyl
Berzerk Distortion
API 550
CLA MixHub
H-Series
Horizon
Sibilance
Brauer Motion
C6 Native
CLA MixDown
CLA Signature Native
Grand Rhapsody Piano
Greg Wells MixCentric
Greg Wells ToneCentric
Greg Wells VoiceCentric
Infected Mushroom Pusher
InPhase
IR1 Convolution Reverb
JJP Vocals
Kramer GT Native
Kramer VC Native
Manny Marroquin Delay
Manny Marroquin Tone Shaper
Manny Marroquin Triple D
Marroquin Reverb Native
Maserati DRM Native
Maserati VX1 Native
NLS Native
Nx - Virtual Mix Room over Headphones
OneKnob Louder Native
OneKnob Pumper
OneKnob Series Native
Renaissance Compressor
Scheps 73
Scheps Omni Channel
Scheps Parallel Particles
SSL 4000 Collection
Torque
Waves Tune Real-Time
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I have a mac mini with i7 which i mix on and thinking of moving to the new silicon series M1 or M2 Apple mac mini computers. The thing is some of my Waves are still at v12 and I will need to update them to get them to v14 for them to work with silicon.
So now what?
I need to pay $25 a month so I can use those 4 or 5 plugins I already own?
And after a year or so when Apple has new operating systems my current V14 might not work.
So the plugins I have been buying all these years and updating them little by little to the current version each year WAS FOR NOTHING???
At least a WUP option for existing licences would solve things.
I have to look for alternatives from developers that value loyalty cos I dont want this to happen again in the future.
It will get alot more messy if a client asks me to open a project from 2020âŠ
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Decided to move away from Waves some time ago, because of the very expensive WUP.
Itâs interesting how companies seem to just ânot getâ the problem with subscriptions. Itâs not really about how much value youâre able to provide for a âlow monthly feeâ. Itâs about the fact that subscriptions add up. With every company pushing their own sub, the monthly costs grow substantially and leave customers in a very vulnerable position financially.
Slate went sub-only long ago, and I donât know anyone who still uses their plugins.
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